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grannyagain
Guest
|  | Ellen Chase
« Reply #15 on Mar 21, 2007, 12:47pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: Frank Gable
INTERVIEWED: Ellen Chase
4956 13th ave.N.
Keizer, Or 97303
HM: 390-0871
WK: 378-2599
buc:ellen chase
On 9-13-90 this investigator contacted Ellen Chase at her
employment. She stated that she recalled her statement to the police on 1-18-89.
xxx
buc:ellen chase
She stated that she works at the dome bldg. She usually
gets off work at 5:30pm. That night she left about 5:40pm. She knows that the front door is always locked when she leaves.
buc:ellen chase
She stated that a guy, who she feels is named Larry,locks
the doors each night. He is now a custodian person at the new Baker facility. She did say that she could be wrong in that
Larry may have gone to Baker prior to Michael Francke being
killed. If that was the case then "Noe" who is the custodian
now would have been the one
xxx
buc:ellen chase
She usually waits at the steps for her ride. Some times she sees employees or their family members and tells them that the
door on the north portico is open. Although she hasn't watched
them actually go in the door she know that they don't return so
she felt that they got in.
xxx
buc:ellen chase
It was her impression that the last one out of the bldg. was the one who locked this door. She doesn't know this for sure
because she is picked up real soon after 5:30pm.
xxx
buc:ellen chase
She also stated that the board of parole workers are not
allowed to work after 5:00pm. They don't want people to stay
after 5:00 because they don't want to pay overtime.
xxx
buc:ellen chase
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
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| | Steve Rubino
« Reply #16 on Mar 21, 2007, 12:56pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
CASE: Frank Gable
SUBJECT: SEARCH/ LOCATE BODY.
INTERVIEWED: Steve Rubino
4736 Elcedro Loop NE
Salem, Or.
HM: 371-4686
WK: 378-2348
xxx
buc:steve rubino
On 9-19-90 this investigator contacted Steve Rubino at the
dome bldg. Steve stated that he works for the Oregon State
Hospital. On 1-17-89 his job title was a Psy. Aid 3 at the
Communication Center. Part of his job at the time was to help
with security around the hospital grounds. They give him a Chevy van to drive. He came on duty at 10:30 pm. and he replace Dick Carlyle.
xxx
buc: steve rubino
When he came on shift he got a briefing about the report of Michael Francke. Basically he was told that the corrections was
concerned because they couldn't find Mr. Francke. He had been
paged with no response. He was also told that Larry Hill, who is
a maintence worker looked around the dome bldg. and had also talked to some workers inside the dome bldg.
(See attached diagram for activities of Steve Rubino)
xxx
buc:steve rubino
After the briefing Steve went to do his rounds at the
hospital. He came across a VW van that was parked across center street from the dome bldg. He radioed the licence plate. After a while he went over to the dome bldg. area.
xxx
buc: steve rubino
Steve approached from east of the dome. He parked his van at the northern circle on the east side. He was several feet
away on the passenger side of Mr. Francke's car. He got out of
his van and approached Francke's car to the passenger window. He stayed a foot from the car so he wouldn't touch the car.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
He had his flashlight and shown it into the car. He felt
that the car was in a messy condition and seemed cluttered. He saw the car phone, it was hung up in its carrier on the dash.
He remembers thinking about being told that the car door was
found open and yet the car phone was still in the car. This just passed through his mind.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
He then moved around the rear of the car to the drivers side again staying about one foot away from the car and shining the light inside the car. He doesn't specifically remember thinking
about an alarm. He doesn't remember seeing an alarm light on the
dash, blinking or not blinking.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
Steve shown the light on the ground around the car. He was specifically looking for blood. Because of the briefing about
Michael Francke being missing and the fact that he had an
important position with corrections Steve was alert to foul play. He also shown the flash light in and around and underneath the
bushes in the circle area.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
He then went to the front of the dome bldg. area near the
steps. He is not exactly sure where he walked to get there but he feels that he probably took the most direct route across the
grass area. He then went down and checked the step and door area in the well next to the north portical steps.
xxx
buc: steve rubino
He came up from there and walked up the steps to the north portico. He remembers first seeing the body when he reached the top of the steps and took a half of a step towards the door. This is when he saw a body lying near the door.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
He took another three of four steps towards the body to see more. This is when he called to security about a man down.
Steve stated that it is not uncommon to find people sleeping
around the dome bldg. He never saw blood at this time. He knew
something was wrong and his initial feeling was that the body was
dead.
buc:steve rubino
The porch area had two lights on which were working.
Somehow now they seem a little brighter than that night. He is not sure if they were replaced with a higher watt bulb or cleaned
the covers. He remembers that there were lights on within the
bldg. but he is not sure which rooms.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
Steve then went to his vehicle and waited for Larry Hill to
come and join him. They both then went up on the porch and
approaced the body a little closer. (see diagram for location)
buc:steve rubino
They both felt that the body was dead and they saw the blood on the wall. They stayed there for about a minute then they
returned to their vehicles. They moved their vehicle to an area
on the far west side on the most northern circle and waited for
the police to arrive.
xxx
buc:steve rubino
No further information at this time.
xxx
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Adam Hernandez
« Reply #17 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:01pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: Frank Gable
INTERVIEWED: Adam Hernandez
Marion county jail
RECORD: Conviction for PCS,(meth)
In jail now for hindering prosecution. (PV)
xxx
buc:adam hernandez
On 9-6-90 this investigator contacted Adam at the Marion Co. jail. After my introduction I showed him a police report dated
1-26-90 where it is indicated that he made statements to the
police. He read this report and stated that he agreed with it.
xxx
buc:adam hernandez
He also denied to me that he gave a ride to Jodie from
Dundee, Or. on the 17th. of January 19
xxx
buc:adam hernandez
He stated that the cops came to the pen and interviewed him about picking up Jodie. He denied to them as indicated in the
report that he picked her up.
xxx
buc:adam hernandez
At this time I read him the report concerning his polygraph
test. He indicated that he didn't lie to them. He went on to
add "she is trying to get me to be some type of alibi and I'm not going for it". He stated that he has no reason to lie.
xxx
buc:adam hernandez
He stated that he was at Shortys house one time with her.
He flatly denied that he told the police that Shorty was selling
him dope, as indicated in the reports. He said the he did tell
the cops that he saw Shorty with all kinds of knifes, but he
doesn't remember describing any one in particular.
xxx
buc:adam hernandez
Adam stated that he would go the Hyacinth house once in a while. He did work on Shortys car there a couple of times. He
met Jodie at that residence the day prior to the bust at that
house on 1-20-89. He stated again that he came to the house the
day prior to the bust and that was when he met Jodie. the next
day the cops came and arrested everyone.
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Vicki Boyd
« Reply #18 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:06pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT #(3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: State vs. Gable
PERSON INTERVIEWED: Vicki Boyd
185 23rd. NE
Salem. Or.
363-8856
DATE OF INTERVIEWED: 9-20-90
buc:vicki boyd
I contacted Vicki at our office and spoke with her. She
stated that she had received a call from the DA Tom Boswick. He asked her to come to his office for an interview. She told him
that she is not sure if she should do that as she is a witness
for Bob Abel; "the other side" and "that would be working both sides of the fence". She stated that she knows better than that as her father was a district attorney at one time.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Boswick said something about her talking to the state police and she told him that was because they had come to her door. He told her, "I think you better come on down and see me". It was at this point that she contacted Bob Abels office.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
She stated that the first thing that came to her attention
was when she was subpoenaed to come to the Grand Jury. She was told that she might have information about Johnny Crouse because she was at the parole office the same time as him and her name was next to his on the sign in list.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
She said that she had no memory of these certain events
happening on January 17th, 1989 until they told her.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
On January 17th, 1989 she went to see her parole officer at the office on center street. She didn't know the name Johnny
Crouse until she was told by the cops that she was there at the
same time. However when she saw some photos of Johnny Crouse she recognized him as the person she saw and talked to while at the parole office. She never knew Crouse before that day and she has not seen him since.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
At the Grand Jury they asked her about his actions, their
conversation and what he wore. She told them that he was quiet
speaking and seemed calm. He stated that he was looking for a
job. She saw and talked with him for about five minutes before
she went in to talk to the P.O. When she came out he was gone.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Crouse was dressed casual. He looked like he might be
looking for a jog. She didn't remember him having a coat with
him. She does remember him wearing a plaid long sleeve shirt.
They made a big deal about what socks he was wearing. She didn't know why. She said that she really didn't see his socks. She
seems to remember him having on low top leather shoes.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
They also asked her what her opinion was about who killed
Michael Francke. She told them that she wasn't sure why but she felt that it had something to do with corrections.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
She also remembers seeing another person at the parole
office that day. Her name is Aaron Grimm. (she lives pm 19th
and Market.)
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Vicki again stated that she remembers nothing concerning the 17th. She only know what happened at the parole office and after she left. The cops told her that it was the 17th.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
She stated that she was at the parole office for about a
half an hour. She then went straight home. She figured this was a little before 5:00pm. She changed her clothes and then went
over to Shellie Thomas's house who lived about a half a mile away
from her house. She feels that she arrived there about 6:30-6:45pm.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
When she arrived Shellie was on the phone. She said that
she was talking to Frank Gable. Vicki knew Frank from
Cornerstone. Shellie handed the phone to Vicki. She talked to Frank about old times at Cornerstone. They talked for about 10
mins. Frank told her that he was on his way over there. Vicki
felt that Gable was bringing over drugs because Shellie told her
that she was expecting some to be brought over any moment and
Gable told her he was coming over. No one actually said that
but, "I sold drugs for 12 years and I know".
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Vicki said that she was going to go home and get some money
and she would be right back. She was at her house for about a
half hour. She remembers seeing the clock at her house at
7:00pm., so she would have returned to Shellie's about 7:30pm.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
By the time she arrived Gable had come and gone. She told her that she had just missed him. Also Shellie now had drugs and Vicki bought some off her. Then she left.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Vicki stated that she saw Shellie only once after that. She
was arrested on February 10th and went to jail on a PV. She had not talked to nor seen her since.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Vicki also remembers Shellie telling her that Dennis had
called from California and she also said that Frank got a chance
to talk with him.
xxx
buc:vicki boyd
Vicki stated that she has been clean since February 10. She stays away from the old crowd and she has a job.
xxx
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Larry Hill
« Reply #19 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:13pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE NAME: State vs. Gable, Frank
SUBJECT: Search/ Discovery of M. Francke.
SUBJECT INTERVIEWED: LARRY HILL
1745 Capitol Street SE.
Salem, Or.
363-6421
Employment: Oregon State Hospital
Maintenance.
buc:larry hill
Presently Larry has a Drunk driving conviction. He has a
suspended licnce and doesn't drive a vehicle.
xxx
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 8-20-90
xxx
buc:larry hill
I met with Larry at the dome building. I asked him to
review his activities on the night of 1-17-90. He stated how he had received the call and responded to the dome bldg. His
statement was very close to what was contained in the police
reports.
xxx
buc:larry hill
He stated that part of his duties in maintenance is helping
with security on the hospital grounds. Some times the security is busy and he is called to help.
xxx
buc:larry hill
After the communications center got the call from the two
women he drove his state Luv truck over to the dome bldg. He entered the grounds off of center street. He approached the main entrance of the dome bldg. He had a search light and was
shinning it around the area. He saw nothing. He drove around the
circle past the main entrance moving at a slow pace. He was
doing a cursory search with the spot light. He never got out of
his truck. (see attached diagram)
xxx
buc:larry hill
When Larry had been by the dome building around 6:00 pm the parking circle was filled with cars. Now at 8:00 pm during this time there were only two cars parked at the circle. One car was
Michael Francke's (He didn't know at the time it was Francke's)
and another vehicle which was parked across the circle from Mr.
Francke's. (see attached diagram)
xxx
buc:larry hill
He continued through the parking lot behind the hospital,
circled around to come up on the north side of the dome bldg.
He stated that he doesn't remember now seeing the women leaving
the dome bldg., down the steps. However he does remember seeing the women get into the other vehicle that was parked at the
circle. She then drove out to center street leaving Mr.
Francke's vehicle as the only one parked at the circle. Larry
felt that this women was one of the women who had originally
called the communications to report seeing Mr. Francke's car and
the door open.
xxx
buc:larry hill
Larry then returned about 9:30 pm. He felt that he should
check again but didn't really feel he would find anything. This
time he again came to the top of the circle in front of the dome
main entrance. He saw two vehicles parked, one on each side of
Francke's car. He saw two men just inside the main entrance
doors. He then left his truck and ran up the steps, entered the
main doors and talked to the men. He asked them if they were
Francke. They said no, that they were looking for him. Larry
knew one of the men by sight. Larry had seen him around the dome bldg. when he had worked at the dome. The other person, Larry didn't recognize. All three then walked up the hall way towards the area of Francke's office. When they were at the end of the hall Larry returned to his truck and left the area.
xxx
buc:larry hill
Larry then made the rounds again about 10:30 pm. Francke's vehicle was the only one at the circle. Larry saw that there were lights on in Francke's office. He didn't think that was
real strange because those lights were left on often.
xxx
buc:larry hill
He went by again at the end of his shift and saw no change. Francke's car was in the same location and appeared untouched.
xxx
buc:larry hill
At this point I read the police report to him which he
agreed except for the point about seeing the women leave the building. He doesn't recall actually seeing he come down the
steps. He only remembers seeing her get in the car and drive
away.
xxx
buc:larry hill
Regarding the statement about the lights being dim on the
north portico, he was comparing that to the next night when they seemed brighter. He just felt that maybe some one had put in new bulbs.
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Meril Craig
« Reply #20 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:17pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEYS: Bob Abel/ John Storkel.
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
SUBJECT: Finding body of Michael Francke
INTERVIEWED: Meril Craig
7741 Terrace Lane
Aumsville, Or.
HM: 749-1558
WK: 378-2361
buc:meril craig
On 9-17-90 this investigator contacted Meril Craig at the
dome bldg. At that time I reviewed with him a police report
dated 1-23-89 where he had made statements to the police. He indicated that it was correct.
xxx
buc:meril craig
On 1-17-89 Meril was a maintence worker. Part of his duties are to respond to emergence situations and help out the
corrections security. He works the night shift. When he came on
duty he replaced Larry Hill.
xxx
buc:meril craig
When he came on duty the 17th. he was told that Michael
Francke was thought to be missing and his car door was found
open. When he did his rounds he came across a VW van parked
across center street from the dome bldg. He felt that it was not
too out of place as other cars have been left over night on the
hospital property before.
xxx
buc:meril craig
He then went to where Michael Francke's car was parked. He stopped near it, on the passenger side not in the parking stall
next to it but in the driveway area.
xxx
buc:meril craig
He got out of his vehicle and using his flash light looked
inside the car. He felt that it was probably the passenger side
as that was the side he was on. He did walk around and look
inside on the drivers side also. He was looking for signs of why
it was there and the possibility that it had been broken into.
He saw the car phone and was surprised that it was still there
because he had heard about the car door being open. He doesn't remember the position of the phone he just remembers it being there. He does feel that if it was out of its holder he would
have remembered that. He didn't touch the car at any time.
buc:meril craig
Meril doesn't remember seeing a light on the dash, and he
had no thoughts of an alarm in the vehicle.
xxx
buc:meril craig
Meril stated that he and Steve Rubino talked about the VW
van and Michael Francke's car. Steve stated that he was going to make the rounds and check it out. A little while later he
received a call that a man was down.
buc:meril craig
Meril met Steve at the dome bldg. They both went up on the steps to see the body. They approached the body but staying a
ways away. They wanted to check if the person was dead. He
appeared to be dead from his position.
(see attached photograph)
xxx
buc:meril craig
While we were up on the north portico Meril marked the
photograph with an "X" indicating the locations where he could first see the body (from the steps) and the area he was at when he viewed the body.
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Susan Honan
« Reply #21 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:23pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY; Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE NAME: Frank Gable.
SUBJECT: Neighbor of the Francke's.
PERSON INTERVIEWED: Susan Honan.
2975 Doughton street S.
Salem, Or.
370-9647
xxx
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 8-23-90
xxx
buc:susan honan
I contacted Susan at her home to review her statements about Michael Francke. We started the interview by her reading the
police report (see attached report) and making any comments.
xxx
buc:susan honan
BASEBALL BAT: She stated that she didn't see him taking the garbage out with his baseball bat, but Bingta told her about the
incidents. She stated that the subject came up during the
following conversation.
xxx
buc:susan honan
Francke's had a skate board ramp that their son would use
with his skate board. The kids in the neighborhood wanted to use the ramp so they would come by and asked them if they could use it. Some times they would peer over the hedge and try to see if
the son was home. Michael and Bingta didn't like that. Bingta
called her one day and said that she knew that Susans sons wasn't
looking over the hedge but she wanted to let Susan known that it
wasn't a good idea. Bingta was hoping that Susans son would pass the word along to the other kids.
xxx
buc:susan honan
They didn't feel it was good for the boys to be looking over
the hedge and maybe coming in the yard. Bingta said that Mike
was so nervous that he might mistake the boys for someone else
and shoot them or some other mistake.
xxx
buc:susan honan
ALARM: Susan stated that Francke never showed her the alarm
system. She remembers hearing the alarm go off. Bingta came over and was excited and told Susan that they had gotten a new alarm. Bingta also told Susan how alert they were to security
measures. She talked about the system they used to lock
everything up when they left the house. She told her about how
they check everything and make sure that the windows are locked.
xxx
buc:susan honan
Susan then commented how aware they were of the surroundings. They were always alert to what was happening. She
told me about one time when the Francke's were first in town.
They were walking past her house and saw the front door open.
They approached the front door to see if anything was wrong.
Francke said that he had to check stating, "I'm just that way".
SPRAY PAINTING THE HOUSE: Susan commented that there had been two persons who had painted the house. Bingta took her out to show her the damage and two separated foot prints where obvious.
Bingta said, "you can see where this one stood and used his right
hand and the other one stood here and used his left hand". If
was real clear that one was left handed and one was right handed.
xxx
buc:susan honan
Also, there were paint drippings out in the street where
they had loaded the spray machine.
xxx
buc:susan honan
Susan then stated that she had never met anyone more aware of security than they were. It was just a way of life with them.
xxx
buc:susan honan
She said that she doesn't feel that only one person killed
Francke. He was physically active. He was a double diamond
skier, and rode dirt bikes. She said that he was too aware of
his surroundings to get caught by one person. The story that the district attorney seems to be saying isn't very realistic.
xxx
buc:susan honan
CARS ACROSS THE STREET: She stated that the time that some guy was parked across the street she was sure they were watching
the Francke house. Bingta called her and asked if she could see
the licence plate on the car. The man in the car was
continually looking over at the Francke house. He stayed there
for 2-3 hours and then was replaced by another car with another
guy. The guy stayed a couple of hours also.
xxx
buc:susan honan
NEW MEXICO INCIDENT: Bingta told her about this incident.
This happened while they were living in New Mexico. Bingta was telling her about the fight incident and the incident while
shopping because she was saying how glad she was to get out of
New Mexico. She said that these are just some of the reason why
she wanted to leave.
xxx
buc:susan honan
Bingta told her how the guy had accused Francke of dealing drugs. Francke was going to fight the guy. He stood up took off his glasses and taking off his coat but was stopped by Bingta.
xxx
buc:susan honan
This guy ended up being just a nobody and the police were
not involved. The Francke's just left the restaurant.
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Freddie Smith
« Reply #22 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:30pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORENYS: Bob Abel/ John storkel
CASE NAME: Frank Gable
SUBJECT: Prison Inmate INTERVIEWED: Freddie Smith
407 N. Grove
Southerland, Or.
459-2443
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
On 9-11-90 this investigator contacted Freddie at his
residence. He stated that he was at OSP and was released January
12, 1990.
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
While he was in prison he was working on an inmate crew that worked at the dome bldg. He remembered that the day Michael Francke was killed he, along with several other inmates were standing outside the dome bldg. on the steps. It was around
4:00pm. He saw Francke come out of the north portico doors and
jog in the direction of his car. Freddie didn't actually see
Francke at the car. He wasn't paying attentions. Freddie
assumed that Francke went to his car because he was gone about a half a minute and then came jogging back with some papers in his
hand.
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
Freddie stated that Francke was in his shirt sleeves and was holding a series of papers in his hand. Freddie said, "there's
Mr. Francke jogging in his shirt sleeves". Francke said "hi
Fred" and held up his hand with the papers in it as a waive to
him.
buc:freddie Smith
Freddie said that he works in the dome bldg. second floor.
His office is at the top of the stairs just as you enter the door
on the south side. The last 2-3 days before Francke's death,
Freedie say Francke going back and forth from his office to the
library.
As Francke passed by Fred's office a couple of times he would say hi to Fred. Francke went back and forth several times a day.
He spent a good part of the day at the computer. Freddie figured that he was working on something important just because of the way he was going back and forth and seemed to be working feverishly.
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
Freddie stated that in his office was the shredder. He
would shred some papers but if there was confidential material
then the personal would shred it themselves. However,there would
not be more than 8-10 bags a month at the most.
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
After Francke was killed and they were doing the
investigation, the dome bldg. area was roped off and no inmates
were allowed to work there.
So from the time of Francke's death on Tuesday the 17th until Monday the 24th, when the inmates returned to work at the dome, some one was doing some shredding.
When Freddie came back to his office there were lots of 40lb bags
of shredded material. Freddie and another inmate threw the bags
away and he counted them. There were 23 bags. Freddie also saw
a 7-up can on his desk. He took the can and put it between his
desk and the wall. Later on he told the police about it, but the
can was still there months later. Freddie figured they could
have gotten finger prints off of it to see who was doing the
shredding.
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
Freddie was interviewed at the state police office on three
occasions. Each time they talked to him Freddie got the feeling
that they were not interested in what he could tell them and just
what he knew as apposed to what he knew about he Francke killing.
xxx
buc:freddie Smith
Freddie stated that he has talked with Phil Stanford many
times. He has also talked with Pat and Kevin Francke. Pat told Freddie that he was talking with Michael in the weeks before his death.
Michael told Pat that he was working with a 357 mag. and
a riot shot gun. He also said that he had discovered a criminal
element in the system and the top four heads are going to roll.
He also said that the deputy was going to roll. The deputy at
that time was Richard Peterson.
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
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| | Alan Thompson
« Reply #23 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:34pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
SUBJECT: Michael Keerins impeachment.
INTERVIEWED: Alan Thompson
(mothers address)
856 Blaine st.
Woodburn, Or.
981-0474
xxx
buc:alan thompson
CRIMINAL RECORD: 1988 Poss. of M.J.
Poss. of a weapon
xxx
1989 PV- X-felon in poss.
1990 PV- He is now in Marion County Jail,
Release date Dec. 90
xxx
buc:alan thompson
On 8-30-90 this investigator contacted Thompson at the
Marion County Jail. He stated that he was arrested on May
10th,90. He was put in "E" block. Also in "E" block was Michael Keerins. At the time of this interview Thompson was in "D"
block.
buc:alan thompson
Keerins was in the jail when Thompson came there. He spent four months in "E" block with Keerins.
xxx
buc:alan thompson
It is a well know fact around "E" block and the jail in
general that Keerins in involved in the Francke case. Keerins
talks about it often. He walks around the block like he is the
king. He talks about how he has contact with the DA. He talks about how he can and does call the DA when he wants. Keerins has made statements that he is going to call the DA and then he goes and makes a call on the phone and when he returns he tells how he talked to the DA. Keerins in very boastful about this
association.
xxx
buc:alan thompson
Thompson stated that the DA is also putting money on Keerins books. He knows this because Keerins does seem to always have money to spend, he says that they put money on his books and Thompson knows that Keerins mother doesn't have the money to give him. Thompson also told about Keerins running shoes. It is a big joke in the prison. Keerins has these sneakers that cost $139.00. He boasts about how the DA bought him the running shoes and showed him and another inmate the price tag.
xxx
buc:alan thompson
One day Thompson and another inmate, Ed Tucker were sitting at a table in the cell area talking about Keerins and his
association with the DA. They were near Keerins cell. Kerrins
came out of his cell and told them;"if it wasn't for him being
paid, Gable would be walking free".
Thompson states that this statement by Keerins was boastful like he was getting money out of it.
xxx
buc:alan thompson
Thompson also said that Keerins is writing a book about his association with this case. He let Thompson read it. It starts
when Keerins was in Jail with Gable. Thompson also said that
Keerins drew a picture of a rat in the book papers. This was
signifying Gable as a rat.
xxx
buc:alan thompson
Thompson states that He doesn't know Shorty. He also
doesn't know Gable. He knows who he is but has never talked to
him, nor had any contact with him.
xxx
buc:alan thompson
Thompson also told me about talking to another investigator from the Gable defense. (He didn't remember his name, but the description seem to fit Tom.) After that interview he returned to "E" block. Apparently word got around that Thompson was talking to an investigator from the defense because Keerins
approached him and asked him about it. Keerins then went to the
phone and called the DA. He returned to Thompson and told him
that the DA will be up to talk to him. (They were suppose to come
and see him the week prior to this interview, but they hadn't
come yet.)
xxx
buc:alan thompson
Keerins told Thompson that he could make arraignments to get Thompson out of jail or get his sentence cut if he would detract
his statement to the Gable defense. I asked Thompson if Keerins
knew what he had told the defense. He said that he didn't tell
Keerins but Keerins figured it out because he (Keerins) knew what
he had said and he knew it was "the opposite side".
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
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| | Dennis Gause > two interviews
« Reply #24 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:46pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
INVESTIGATION REPEORT
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CASE: FRANK GABLE
WITNESS: Dennis Dean Gause
Oregon Department of Corrections
Tillamook Forest Work Center
ATTORNEY: Able/Storkel
INVESTIGATOR: 2/3
DATE: November 17, l990
xxx
buc:dennis gause
On the above date Mr. Gause was interviewed by defense
investigators. The witness said he was not being represented bycounsel.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Gause reported meeting Jodie Swearingen, "from the dope
circle, from the streets." Mr. Gause was questioned about his
knowledge of a body being seen in the back of Cappie Harden's pick-up. The witness said there was never a body in the back of Mr. Harden's pick-up that he was aware of. He said he had told Shellie Thomas that he had seen a body at Mr. Harden's in an
attempt to scare her into not going over to Mr. Harden's house.
The witness said that Ms. Thomas told her friend, Brenda Lynn, about his comment and Ms. Lynn told Ms. Swearingen about the body. He stated, "It was a lie."
xxx
buc:dennis gause
The witness was then questioned about how gossip travels in the drug community in relationship to his statement about the body in the truck. He was asked if this was how the story got started
about Mr. Gable committing the Francke murder. He stated that
this was exactly how it happened. As an example the witness
said, "If I said something about Shorty to someone it would get to him before I could drive over to his house and he would be on the phone talking to someone about what I had said."
xxx
buc:dennis gause
The witness said he never had any discussions with Jodi
Swearingen about a dead body in the back of Harden's truck. He also didn't have "tears" in his eyes with any discussion with
her. Gause said any statement that Ms. Swearingen may have made about this are not true.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Continuing, the witness said that Mr. Harden came over to his
house and asked him about the statement and he told Mr. Harden he was only trying to keep Ms. Thomas from going over to his house
because he felt Shellie was getting too involved in the drug
world and didn't want her over there. Mr. Gause stated, "This
one isn't real." He was referring to the body in the back of Mr.
Harden's truck.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
The witness reported talking to the police "10 to 15 times."
During one of the interrogations the witness was asked about
having seen a body in the back of Mr. Harden's truck. The
witness said he told the police "it was a lie."
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Regarding the Gable case the witness stated, "everyone wanted out for either money or to get their crime reduced or freedom, money or freedom."
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Gause said he was in the hole while at Marion County Jail and Mr. Harden was also there. Mr. Gause said, "I sat with Shorty
and we talked, everyone was talking and scammed and we were all
looking at O.R. I was already convicted and sentenced but hoped
I could get out." Shorty planned to say, "he was involved and
he said he got a telephone call from Jodi to pick her up and to
get them - Frank and her, and Frank admitted to killing Francke."
buc:dennis gause
The witness said this was a scam and something that Mr. Harden told him he was going to tell the police. Mr. Gause said Mr.
Harden told the police this story.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
The witness reported talking to the police about Mr. Harden's
story and they confirmed Mr. Harden's statements. Mr. Gause
stated that each time Mr. Harden was interviewed he was called in right afterwards and this is how he found out what Mr. Harden had told the police.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
However, the witness said Mr. Harden told several different
stories. Mr. Gause said Mr. Harden originally told him that he
didn't know anything about the murder and was not involved in it.
The second story was that Mr. Harden had pick Mr. Gable up and had dropped him off at the murder scene. His third story was he had picked up Ms. Swearingen at the murder scene and had left Mr. Gable there. The fourth story was he had seen Mr. Gable inside
the car at the murder scene when the dome light came on in the
car. The witness added that this story was implausible because Mr. Harden had only seem Mr. Gable once and the witness
questioned how was he to have recognized him at night with only a
dome light on.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Gause said he took a polygraph regarding the Francke murder.
The witness said be thought he was going to be tested on his
statements about his and Bill Storm's "story." The witness said
he was surprised when he was questioned about his involvement in
the murder and his knowledge of other's involvement instead of
being tested only on their story. It was his impression that the
police thought he might be involved in the killing.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Gause said Robert Cornett was the first person to bring up
Gable's name in connection with the murder. Mr. Cornett was the first one to direct the police's attention to this drug group,
"that level of drug users and criminals." THe witness said that
prior to this the police only knew a murder had been committed
and now they had a group of suspects to look at.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Gause said he and Bill Storm then made the decision to
fabricated a story in hopes of a reduced jail sentenced. It was
shortly after that the witness ended up in "the hole with
Shorty." This is when the witness told Mr. Harden of his plan
with Bill Storm to scam the police.
The witness said, "When Shorty said that he didn't know anything about it (the murder) I told him to play it up and get us out (of custody).
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Harden then planned a "story" of his own to tell the police.
Mr. Harden's original story to the police was to help get his
time reduced, according to the witness, or charges dropped. Mr.Harden's story then progressed to the point that he would get
some money. The witness said he later learned that Mr. Harden
was calling himself, "The million dollar baby."
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Regarding Ms. Swearingen the witness stated, "She is not honest and rips everyone off." Mr. Gause said everyone he knows would say she is a liar and has a reputation "as a liar, tramp and a
thief." He added, "She is known as scroddy Jodi." He said that
when she was called this to her face she simply laughed.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
Mr. Gause suggested that we look at the two administrators
directly below Mr. Francke in the Corrections Department. He felt
it was suspect that they left when they did. He said guards were
responsible for bringing drugs into the institutions and some had
been fired for it. He strongly felt that Mr. Francke's murder
was connected to drug corruption in the Corrections Department.
The witness was then questions about why he thought Mr. Gable's
name was brought up. He said that Mr. Gable was a snitch. Mr.
Gause stated Mr. Gable had no friends in the drug system because
he was a snitch and because he was a nobody had no connections
with administration. In addition Mr. Gause believed that because
Mr. Gable "was a punk, someone's wife" he was an easy target.
xxx
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
xxx
INTERVIEWED: Dennnis Gause
Tillamook Forestry Camp
Tillamook, Oregon
xxx
On 12-8-90 I contacted Dennis Gause at the Tillamook
Forestry Camp where he is incarcerated. I subpoenaed him for the above trial. I gave him a copy of a report of our interview of
11-17-90. I asked him to review this report and let me know if
there are any inaccuracies or if he would like to change any
statements. After reading the report he stated that it was
accurate. I asked him if this was correct in what he had told
investigator Hamilton and myself. He indicated yes" it was.
Dennis stated that the only thing in the report that
bothered him was the last paragraph about the correction
corruption. He said that he was a little worried because it was in our report. He commented that if the corrections people saw
that he made that statement he would be in trouble. he felt real
nervous that he was in the custody of the corrections and he was
making statements about them. I assured him that our report was
for our use and the attorneys would be the only ones who would
read the information. He also stated his concern about the
papers getting those statements. I also assured him that they
would not get any statements he made.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
I asked him if he would sign the report, under penalty of
perjury, indicating that he would testify to the information in
it and its accuracy. He stated that as long as he was in prison
he didn't want to sign the report and he didn't want to testify
to these statement. He stated that if he testified then he might be labeled a snitch. He figured that if he was labeled a snitch
that some guy might think he was "bad" and try to "shank" him.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
Dennis stated that he would have no problem testifying if he
was released before the trial, when he had to testify. He would be under no pressure if he wasn't in jail.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
At this point he looked at the subpoena and said it was good that it said, "testify for defendant". This way he could show
others in prison that he was testifying for the defense and not a
snitch for the prosecution.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
I asked him what he was going to say if he was in custody
and had to come to trial. He stated that he wouldn't say
anything. I indicated that he would need an attorney with him if that was to happen. I also told him that Cynthia and I would
have to testify to his statement if he would not say them.
xxx
buc:dennis gause
However it should be noted that he never did say he would
deny or lie about the statement. He just said that he would not testify.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
I offered him a copy of his statement to have with him. He
declined it saying that he didn't want it around for the other
inmates and the corrections people to see what he had to say.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
He stated that I could call him January 91, because he would have his parole hearing at the end of December. He stated that if he received a release date prior to his testimony he would
sign the report. I indicated that I needed it signed under
penalty of perjury. He stated that he would.
xxx
buc:dennis guase
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
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| | Greg Johnson
« Reply #25 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:50pm » | |
One person I would like an exact birth date on, darn, and some family info.
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
INTERVIEWED: Greg Johnson
Marion County Jail
On 1-10-91 this investigator contacted Greg Johnson at the
Marion County Jail after he called me and requested me to talk
with him.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Greg stated that the O.S.P. were wanting to talk with him.
They were going to talk with him cause Mike Keerins told him they were. He was in the same cell block as Keerins. Keerins was
doing continually talking about the Francke case and where he
(Keerins) had been on the night Francke got killed. Greg went
on to say that Keerins was putting pressure on him (Greg) to
remember what had happened that night. Greg indicated to me that he did actually remember what had happened that night and that Keerins was correct in what he was telling Greg, except for one
point.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Keerins had told Greg that the O.S.P. officers were coming
to talk with him (Greg) so Greg could tell them the same thing
that Keerins was telling them. Greg indicated to me that he
didn't want to talk to the cops. He asked me if he had to talk
to them. I told him that It would be against the law for me to
advise him not to talk to them. I told him that the decision
was his. He stated that he didn't really want to talk to them
but he felt that they would be putting the pressure on him to
talk. I then suggested that he tell them, he will talk with
them; but he should request that Tom McCallum be present. I
said, that way they wont pressure him, and in fact I would be
willing to bet that they wouldn't talk with him at all, if
McCallum was present.
He agreed that was what he would probably do.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Greg went on to tell me the things Keerins was saying. He
indicated that Keerins was doing all the talking and Greg was
listening. He didn't really want to tell Keerins anything, he
just wanted to see what Keerins was saying.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Keerins reminded him about all the people who were together the night of the 17th. There was Mike Keerins, Greg Johnson, Francis Jones, Sandy Duncan at Jones' and Duncans' residence. Chris Keerins and another person who was with Chris came over to the house also. They were all hanging out there. Tim Natividad came over to the house.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Greg stated that he agreed with all the above that Keerins
said. It is the next part that he doesn't agree with. Keerins
says that Tim Natividad came over and they stayed together, with Tim for a long time. However, Greg says that Tim came over around 6:30 or so and stayed for a very short period of time.
Greg said that it was real strange the way Tim acted at that
time. He seemed to be in a rush and acted worried and was real
sweaty.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Greg went on to state that he remembers it was the night
that Michael Francke got killed because when the cops were
looking for Chris Keerins later on, to question him about the
night of the murder, he remembered thinking, wow Chris wasn't involved because he was with us that night.
xxx
buc:greg johnson
Greg stated that Keerins was trying real hard and putting
pressure on Greg to specifically remember that Tim had stayed
with them for a while. This way Tim had an alibi for that night.
Greg stated that he just couldn't lie. He had to tell the truth.
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| | Karie Rothchild
« Reply #26 on Mar 21, 2007, 1:54pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEYS: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
INTERVIEWED: Karie Rothchild.
1360 N. Hwy. 89
Kaysville, Utah
84037
1-801-546-0914
buc:karie rothchild
On 12-11-90 I contacted Karie by phone at Utah. She stated that she had called me a while back because she remembered some more information. She got the answering machine but didn't leave a message.
buc:karie rothchild
She stated that the last time she saw Tim Natividad he was telling her about his new hair cut or a new mustache, she is not certain which.
buc:karie rothchild
She also remembered that he had given her some jewelry she is not sure but it was either a diamond or opal
buc:karie rothchild
I asked her if she remembered the photograph that I had
shown her. She stated yes. I asked her if she remembered seeing
him with Natividad. She indicated that she cant remember him
being with Natividad. However, she did recognize the picture as
being someone she had seen before. She just couldn't remember
who it was with, where or under what circumstances.
buc:karie rothchild
I then asked her if she could tell me more details about the
murder that Natividad committed in her presence. She stated that
she could picture the event in her mind. She was sitting at the
kitchen table talking to a girl she had just met. Natividad was
in the living room when he shot the guy. She saw Tim carrying
the guy past her and out the kitchen door. He took the body to a
car and put it in the trunk.
buc:karie rothchild
She stated that she was very scared at the time and didn't
say anything. She felt that if she had said something she might be killed. She didn't want to bring any attention to her. Even
after her and Tim drove away she never said anything because she
was still scared.
buc:karie rothchild
Karie stated that after that they left and Tim changed his
clothes in his van.
xxx
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
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| | Melody Rothchild Garcia
« Reply #27 on Mar 21, 2007, 2:07pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE NAME: Frank Gable
SUBJECT: Natividad
PERSON INTERVIEWED: Melody Rothchild Garcia.
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 6-8-90
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
I contacted Melody to gain information about Tim Natividad.
She read the police report of Det. Pecyna dated 8-6-89 from the
interview with her on 7-31-89. She stated that it was quite
accurate and she had no corrections.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody is from Ca. and Utah. She has been in Oregon about five to six years. She is married to an Oregon State Penitentiary Inmate, Konrad Garcia. He has been in the prisons system for about thirteen years. Melody has three daughters and one son whom all live in Utah.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody met a family of another inmate during her visits to
see her husband. This friends name is Pat Sacre. Melody
decided to help them and let her and her family live with Melody
for a short period of time. Pats husband, Steve Sacre was in
prison with Melody's husband. This was around July or August of
1987.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Pat was to only stay a short period of time. However she
ended staying for a long time. Pat got involved with meth. She
began hooking on the streets to support her habit.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
The more Pat got involved in meth the harder it got for
Melody. Pat wouldn't do her responsibilities. It got to a point
where Pat began ripping off Melody. This is when Melody kicked
her out.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
One time Pat brought home a bunch of stolen items such as guns and VCR and stereo. Melody gathered up this stuff and took it to the State Police. She spoke with Det. Tindle. They stated
that they couldn't help her. They weren't even interested. This
surprised Melody.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
When Pat became involved in meth, the meth crowd started coming around the house. Two of the people who came around were Robert Nichols Zink and Dave Robie. These two were a couple of the nicer ones. Both knew Natividad. They would talk about "Rooster". This was a nickname of Natividad.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
They talked a lot of Rooster and told about how tuff he was and all the things he did. They talked about how he tied some
guy up for the whole weekend to collect a debt from him. They
told her that she should meet him.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
One day Natividad came over to the house. He came in like
he was at home. Like he had known Melody for a long time. This
was around June 1988. He came into the bedroom where she was.
He said that he had heard of her and was wanting to meet her.
She asked who he was. He told her that he was Tim Natividad.
Apparently both Zink and Robie had told Natividad about Melody.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
From the very start Natividad acted real friendly with
Melody. It was like they had been friend for a while. He told
her that he had done time at OSP and knew her husband, Garcia.
That night he talked on the phone with Garcia and talked to him about remembering him. They decided they would get a pass for Natividad to visit Garcia. For the next couple of month they
tried to get one but was never successful.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
As it turned out Melody found out that Natividad didn't do time at OSP nor did he know her husband. Melody felt that was
odd in that he had made such a point of that. Natividad also
said that he had to report the next day to go into prison.
However he showed up and made some comment about his attorney getting a set over for him.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
That first night Natividad talked to Melody about getting
rid of some guy. Natividad wanted Garcia to do the job. They
talked on the phone about it.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
This was during the time when Garcia was going to have his parole hearing and he was going to be released.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Natividad talked bout getting rid of some guy. He said
thing like he had to so something. Some one has to go down. He told Melody that this person would be someone that she would be happy about. This person would help her with her problems. At the time the only real problem she had talked to Natividad about
was her husband getting out of prison. He was suppose to get out
several times but it seemed like there was always something that
got in the way. So when Natividad said this she felt that the
person he had to get rid of was in the corrections system.
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Natividad talked on many occasions about getting rid of the
guy. He didn't mention who it was and Melody never asked. One
time when he came over he was talking about it. As he was
getting ready to leave he was sitting on his motorcycle in the
driveway. He was reeving the motor up. Melody asked him who the guy was that he was going to kill. Over the sound of the motor-
cycle engine Natividad was saying something. The only word she
heard was Frank. She didn't relate this name with anyone she
knew. She had heard Michael Francke's name before but she didn't
know who he was and certainly didn't think of him when Natividad
said the name.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody stated that Natividad talked and acted real rough. He
was always talking about violent things. He always had a knife
on him and he was into knifes. He always had a ten inch knife
strapped to his leg.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody remembers that Natividad came to the house the night before Michael Francke was killed. Natividad was crazy on meth and he was wild eyed. Melodys daughter went to the door but she was scared so she put him off saying that Melody was not home. He left after a few moments. It was the next day that she heard of Francke dying and she felt that this was the guy who was
supposed to die.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
One time Natividad came over and he had lots of guns in his car. He showed Melody. She saw a colt 45 on the front seat and some gun handles under the seat. In the back seat he had a sawed off shot gun. He showed her in the trunk where there were other guns and shells.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
The word on the street was that Natividad had a white
slavery ring of young girls. He would meet the girls, get them
hooked on drugs and then turn them into prostitutes. He would
use them for sex and also make porno films.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Natividad was always after Melodys daughter. He liked her
and she liked him. Melody always had to keep an eye on them.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Natividad told her about beating and stabbing a guy in a van at Jory park. Melody was told by a guy named Graham that he saw Natividad kill the guy. Natividad came over to Melodys house and he was wearing a white suit. This suit had blood on it. He took
it off and stacked it in their closet. This was the same night
that the guy was killed.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody heard that the word on the street was that Natividad was the one who killed Francke.
xxx
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT.(#3)
ATTORNEYS: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE NAME: Frank Gable
SUBJECT: Natividad.
PERSON INTERVIEWED: Melody Rothchild Garcia
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 6-12-90
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
I again contacted Melody to gain more information of Natividad.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody stated that Natividad was trying to swoop on her
daughter Karie Anne Rothchild. At the time she was only fourteen
years old and she looked older than her age. Natividad really
liked her and tried on several occasions to be with her. Melody
had to be aware of where she was. Karie liked Natividad also.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody was careful because she knew of Natividad's reputation for taking younger girls. She recalled one day Natividad
spent a good part of the day at her residence. All of a sudden
both him and Karie were gone. They were gone for about twelve
hours. During that period of time Karie called her quite often.
Melody never did find out where they went.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody remembered one day that Natividad came over with
another person. He never introduced this person. They came in
the house for a short period of time and just left. The guy
didn't say anything but just stood there while Natividad did what
he needed to do.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
This particular time was odd to Melody in that Natividad
would often bring people over with him but they always stayed in
the car. This time this guy came in the house.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
The second thing was that it was obvious that this guy was not Natividads type. This guy was a straight looking guy,
business man type. His hair was too short, he was not scruffy
enough and he looked too clean to be with Natividad. Melody
stated that she was very alert to this type of stuff. It really
seemed out of the ordinary.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody didn't think a whole lot of this other than just
being aware that it happened. Later on she was looking at a
newspaper and saw the article and a picture of Scott McCallister. She immediately recognized him as the person who came to
her house with Natividad. She was completely convinced that they
were the same person.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody indicated that she didn't talk to her daughter about
Natividad or McCallister so she doesn't know what Karie may know
concerning this. However we can talk with her when she come to
Salem this summer.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
After Melody read about the porno case that McCallister is
involved in she felt that it was real obvious that they were
friends. Natividad was heavily into porn with younger girls and
so is McCallister. Now she could see the connection.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
She also feels that McCallister was protection Natividad
with his dope deals. She could never figure out how Natividad
didn't get busted. He did so much dope, and knew so many people
and supplied so many people with dope. She just figured that he
had someone high up protecting him.
xxx
buc:melody rothchild garcia
Melody stated that she felt that her husband Konrad Garcia
was being set up by Natividad to kill Francke. However when his
parole hearing was cancelled and Garcia got eighteen more months
added to his sentence he was unable to do it. She figured that Natividad went ahead and did it on his own. This opinion is
based on the many conversations she had with Natividad and the
conversations he had with her husband about getting rid of some
guy
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grannyagain
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| | Mike Keerins
« Reply #28 on Mar 21, 2007, 2:10pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
INTERVIEWED: Mike Keerins
Inmate at Marion Co. Jail
xxx
buc:mike keerins
On 12-7-90 this investigator along with investigator #1
contacted Mike in the interview room at Marion Co. Jail. We
introduced our selves as investigators working for Frank Gable's attorney. He indicated that he would be willing to talk with us.
xxx
buc:mike keerins
He stated that he didn't have an attorney representing him
at this time
buc:mike keerins
Mike stated that he knew Gable from the joint. They weren't really friends but he just knew him on and off for a couple of
years. He stated that Gable hung with black at the joint. He
didn't know the name Gary Davis or Mudflap.
xxx
buc:mike keerins
Mike stated that he got out of the joint the first time 12-15-88. After that he saw Gable on the streets. He remembers one time that he saw Gable at a store. Gable approached him and
threatened him about Chris. Gable said something about Chris
telling the cops about Gable doing it. (Francke murder)
xxx
buc:mike keerins
Keerins went on to say that he was locked up at Marion Co
jail May 3, 1989. He was in the same area as Gable. It was in
the latter part of May that Gable made statements to him.
xxx
buc:mike keerins
Gable said that his wife was telling on him for the murder.
He said that he was in the car and Francke came up behind him and
was trying to hold him for the cops and was giving him shit.
xxx
buc:mike keerins
Gable then grabbed his knife and stabbed the guy and took off running. Gable showed the motion to Keerins. Gable said
that he didn't think he killed the guy.
xxx
buc:mike keerins
At this point the guards asked us to leave because it was
lock down. We asked Mike if we could come talk with him again.
He said that he wanted to call the DA and ask them if I should
talk with us. He said that we could come back and check with him
to see what they said.
xxx
No further information at this time.
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grannyagain
Guest
| | Rick Macdonald
« Reply #29 on Mar 21, 2007, 2:17pm » | |
From:
http://freefrankgable.com/documents/BUC_N.doc
WITNESS INTERVIEW REPORT (#3)
ATTORNEY: Bob Abel/ John Storkel
CASE: State vs. Gable, Frank
SUBJECT: Jodie impeachment.
INTERVIEWED: Rick MacDonald
Oregon State Correctional Institute.
SID #-7345077
Counselor: Dick Tissue
373-0173
CRIMINAL HISTORY: 1986 4-charges re: Possession
2-charges re: Delivery.
buc:rick macdonald
On 10-22-90 this investigator contacted Rick at OSCI. He
stated that he knew Jodie from the streets. She was ridding
around with him during the time the police were looking for her. He stated that he did take her to St. Helens and left her at Don
Warrens house.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
I asked him about some of the statements she had made to him about the murder of Michael Francke. He immediately stated, "she just wanted her name in lights". "She just wanted the people in the click to think she is good and acceptable". " She wanted to
enhance her image in the group so they would accept her more".
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
He stated that he didn't believe her much because she is a
tweak.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
He stated that she did tell him that she was in bed with a
guy and he said that he was going to kill her like he killed
Francke. She didn't say who that person was.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
He also stated that Jodie told him that she had talked to
the cops and "told them something to get them off her back".
She also said, "anything they wanted to hear". She was talking
to them and faked being sick and told them she would come back
tomorrow, but she didn't show. It was at this time the cops
started looking for her and she was with Rick part of the time.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
At this time I read the police report to him. (see attached
report) Rick made the following statements about the report. He stated that Brent who is mentioned in the reports is Brent Mole and he lives in Amity.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
He also said that at the time he was talking with the police he didn't realize that he knew Frank Gable. But after talking
with a friend he now remembers he did know Gable. The friend
told him about a Frank that would come over to the friends house
while Rick was there. Rick just didn't know his last name. The
friend also reminded Rick about a incident where Gable helped the
friend. The friend was talking to Gable about not having any
money to pay his rent. A few days later Gable came over and gave this friend some money for the rent.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
Rick went on to state that Jodie told him that she was there
when Francke was killed. She never did say who did the murder.
However she did say it was not Frank. Again Rick told me about Jodie being threatened while in bed with a guy but she didn't say
who the guy was.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
I then asked Rick how this subject was brought up and how
she came around to talk about it. He said that around the time
he was with Jodie the cops were looking for her real hard. They
were busting lots of people who were associated with Jodie and
drugs. They wouldn't necessarily go into house but they would be
watching the different houses and when people left they would be
stopped. At least seven of their friends were busted with drugs.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
The police seemed to be either just ahead of them or just a
step behind. They would go to houses that the cops had just left
looking for Jodie or they would leave a house moments before the
cops arrived. Rick was hearing about this for over a period of
weeks. He also knew that they wanted to talk to Jodie about a
Frank Gable. He knew the last name from hearing it around but
again he didn't associate Frank Gable with the Frank he met at
the friends house.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
Rick had asked Jodie what was going on. Their friends were
being busted, or popped or pulled over and the houses were being
surrounded. He told Jodie that she had to tell him the truth
because the situation was bull shit. He also told her that he
may be able to help if he knew the truth.
Jodie tried to avoid telling him, but he insisted. She then told him, "It wasn't Frank. I just said that. I told them what they wanted to hear". She also told him about faking that she was sick.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
He then asked her who did it, but she wouldn't say. She
just clammed up. He then told her that it wasn't important who
did it but her involvement is. He told her that she had to clear
it up somehow cause everyone was getting busted because the cops were looking for her so hard.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
At this point he accused her of "not knowing shit". He
stated that she was "just high" and was trying to be a "big
wheel"and just "tweaking".
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
Jodie said he could believe what he wanted. Then she began to write in a notebook she had. He said that she often carried a spiral notebook around with her and wrote in it often.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
I then asked him if there was anything else he felt was
important that I hadn't asked him. He said that he felt the way
Jodie handled drugs was important. He added that it reacts on
her harder than others. It is like she is on LSD. She hallucinates and it affects her visual perception and her feeling perception.
xxx
buc:rick macdonald
At this point I reviewed my note of our interview with him
and if he agreed to their accuracy to initial each page. (see
attached notes.)
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